Bella Heathcote on Using Horror to Explore a Dark Time in Australia’s Past – saimmalik

The Huge Image

  • Collider’s Perri Nemiroff sits down with the group behind The Moogai on the 2024 Sundance Movie Pageant.
  • Shari Sebbens, Meyne Wyatt and Bella Heathcote break down the story’s journey from brief movie to function movie.
  • The Moogai is a couple of younger Aboriginal mom who begins seeing a malevolent spirit after having her second baby.

Jon Bell‘s function directorial debut, The Moogai, is a boogeyman film, however it’s one which roots itself in fact. Bell makes use of the horror style to discover the Stolen Generations, youngsters of Australian Aboriginal descent who had been taken from their households by authorities businesses and church missions.

Tailored from his brief movie of the identical title, The Moogai sees Shari Sebbens and Meyne Wyatt return to the roles of Sarah and Fergus, respectively. They are a younger Aboriginal couple who’ve their second baby. Bother is, quickly after the start of that child, Sarah turns into satisfied that she’s seeing a malevolent spirit, one she thinks is making an attempt to take her baby. Whereas Fergus is raring to assist his spouse, he cannot see the entity himself, so begins to surprise, is there really a threatening spirit of their house or is it Sarah herself placing the security of their household in danger?

Whereas in Park Metropolis for The Moogai‘s world premiere on the 2024 Sundance Film Festival, Sebbens, Wyatt and Bella Heathcote took the time to cease by the Collider interview studio delivered to you by to debate their expertise making the film. Heathcote pinpoints what retains her coming again to the horror style, Sebbens and Wyatt contact on the similarities and variations between the Moogai brief movie and have movie, and all three reveal the enduring horror franchise they’d most like to affix.

Hear all of it straight from Sebbens, Wyatt and Heathcote within the video on the prime of this text, or you possibly can learn the interview in transcript type under.

The Moogai

A younger Aboriginal couple brings house their second child. What must be a joyous time takes a sinister flip, because the child’s mom begins seeing a malevolent spirit she is satisfied is making an attempt to take her child.

Launch Date
January 21, 2024

Jon Bell

86 minutes

Jon Bell

What Is ‘The Moogai’ About?

Shari Sebbens as a bloodied Sarah holding a baby in the woods in The Moogai.
Picture through Sundance

PERRI NEMIROFF: Lots of people will first find out about your film by means of the pageant. Shari and Meyne, I will give this responsibility to one in all you since you each labored on the brief movie. Who desires to provide everybody a short description of The Moogai?

SHARI SEBBENS: The Moogai is, on the face of it, a style movie, a horror story a couple of household who’re going by means of a particularly traumatic expertise publish the start of their second baby. The mom, Sarah, begins to see issues and expertise issues that are not essentially there for everybody else. That is form of what it looks as if. It is also an allegory for the Stolen Generations insurance policies that dragged on by means of Australia’s historical past and remains to be dragging on as we speak. However yeah, basically, my character is a form of excessive functioning, very profitable, sees-what-she-wants-and-gets-it form of woman, and for the primary time in her life, she appears to be shedding a little bit of her thoughts and a way of actuality, however nobody else fairly believes her.

Oh, I can’t wait to dig into these particulars, however the very first thing I wished to ask the 2 of you, I get very obsessive about the thought of individuals discovering collaborators after which having that long-time artistic partnership collectively, and I do know you had that, so are you able to recall the primary time you met and what you noticed within the different that signaled to you, “That is somebody I wanna work with eternally?”

SEBBENS: It truly goes again to drama college.

MEYNE WYATT: 16 years in the past.

SEBBENS: 16 years in the past we had been at NIDA collectively. Actually, the core of it was we had been two Aboriginal college students in an institute of not quite a lot of Aboriginal college students, like we had been two out of 4, I feel, and so we bonded over that.

WYATT: As soon as I graduated, we did The Sapphires, which was one other movie, and I feel there have been a few initiatives that simply occurred to coincide that we had been in the identical for, I do not know, a span of 10 years?

SEBBENS: We had been, like, peripheral however we by no means type of talked to one another on display or something. [Laughs]

WYATT: That is truly the primary time that we have acted one-on-one collectively in any venture, I feel. So, that was thrilling. We’d been dying to work with one another in that shut proximity.


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The Sapphires film trailer. New trailer for The Sapphires starring Chris O’Dowd, Deborah Mailman, Jessica Mauboy, Shari Sebbens, and Miranda Tapsell.

Given you knew one another however this was your first expertise working one-on-one collectively, are you able to pinpoint one thing that the opposite did on set that made you cease and say, “I knew you had been good, however I did not know you had been able to that?”

WYATT: Oh yeah, there is a scene within the movie between us two, we had been on the hospital, and I feel it’s totally excessive stakes, excessive pressure. I am there giving my all after which Shari’s matching it however going above me, so it was good to have the ability to play in that area with such excessive emotion and simply being in awe of Shari’s expertise, and with the ability to convey my A-game to the plate.

SEBBENS: I like that that is on video now, eternally. [Laughs]

WYATT: [Laughs] I am by no means gonna dwell this down, am I?

SEBBENS: By no means. For me, I very not often obtained to see the cut up or watch the monitor in any respect, however there was a scene the place I noticed Meyne within the hospital, as nicely — within the psych ward, truly — and the character’s bringing our eldest daughter. There was only a actually form of lovely sense of vulnerability and terror and power, all of these complicated issues and it is like, “Oh wow.” I’ve seen him do all the pieces, I’ve heard him discuss for therefore a few years … [Laughs]

WYATT: We had been housemates at one level, too.

SEBBENS: We had been housemates at one stage. We’re greatest associates in actual life. However to truly form of have a second to observe him and go, “Oh, far out. That is my brother boy and he is friggin’ superior.”

WYATT: And that’s on digicam, too!

Bella Heathcote Cannot Keep Away From Horror

Bella Heathcote poses at Sundance 2024 for The Moogai

Picture through Photagonist on the Collider Media Studio


A broad query for you about horror, Bella, as a result of the last time you were here was for Relic, which is streaming on Shudder, so if you have not seen it, what are you ready for? What retains you coming again to the style for extra, however then are you able to additionally pinpoint one thing about The Moogai that signaled to you, “This may add one other layer to style storytelling?”

BELLA HEATHCOTE: Good query. It is so humorous as a result of, clearly, I appear to do a little bit of horror and I get requested about it so much. I like horror movies after they’re a automobile for one thing larger. Once I was a young person I would watch any slasher movie. I used to be into all of them. However now, it needs to be an allegory. The factor I like about that is, it is actually darkish subject material and a darkish time in Australia’s previous [and] current, however the here-comes-the-airplane of the horror automobile for that makes it actually entertaining. It is humorous, I have not seen the movie and I reread the script a few nights in the past simply to remind myself forward of coming right here, and I used to be like, “Man, it is so good.” It simply sucked me in and spat me out lined in tears. So, yeah, I simply suppose it is a actually essential story and I am actually excited. I am simply actually proud to be concerned.

Bella Heathcote and Emily Mortimer looking up at something in the dark in Relic (2020)
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As a result of I like speaking about horror, for every of you, what horror sub-genre scares you essentially the most?

WYATT: I like a psychological thriller. That is the area the place it isn’t one thing that may be a drive or one thing in the home form of factor. It is going up between the ears, and I feel that sub-genre is admittedly fascinating to me.

Stable selection.

SEBBENS: I like a supernatural thriller when the monster is form of staved off-screen for so long as potential, so that you get that, it is my creativeness doing far more work than what audiences are used to.

Our creativeness is usually far more horrifying than what we see on display.

SEBBENS: That’s precisely proper.

HEATHCOTE: That’s what I used to be gonna say. Rattling! [Laughs] No, however it’s, and the thought of the psychological horror, too, and simply all of the issues your mind will do to fill the gaps which might be typically extra terrifying than what’s truly on the display.

Yet one more broad horror query for you all. For those who had the chance to affix the enduring horror franchise of your selection, what franchise would you decide and why?

WYATT: Scream’s enjoyable.

That’s my primary!

HEATHCOTE: Awww, that was gonna be mine! It was so massive at college.

You possibly can all decide Scream if you would like.

WYATT: I feel as a result of that’s our technology. We grew up with that movie popping out on the time, in order that was all the time a enjoyable one for me.

Ghostface Scream 4 Scream 1996
Picture through The Weinstein Firm

SEBBENS: Conjuring is one in all my favourite movies, however I additionally like simply how foolish it’s gotten. So I feel when it comes to a enjoyable journey, it’s like, to start out off with one thing so form of subtle after which find yourself with Annabelle [laughs], depend me in!

HEATHCOTE: Can I additionally say, it is possibly not technically a sequence, however The Craft. I imply, they made a second one.

Oh, they did! Technically a sequence now.

HEATHCOTE: As a result of that movie, the unique Craft, that was iconic once I was at college.

All wonderful decisions proper there. I may even pitch Final Destination, one in all my favourite horror franchises that does not get the credit score it deserves.

WYATT: It’s terrifying if you get on the highway and there’s wooden on the again of a truck, otherwise you’re on a airplane and everybody’s trying round.

HEATHCOTE: Cease, I’m taking a flight tomorrow! [Laughs]

I all the time surprise, if I booked a flight and it was numbered 180, would I truly get on it? I in all probability would.

How ‘The Moogai’ Advanced from Quick to Characteristic

The cast smiling in an interview at Sundance 2024 for The Moogai

Picture through Photagonist on the Collider Media Studio


Shari and Meyne, having labored on the brief movie model of this story, is there one thing about your characters from the brief that you simply knew you wished to carry tight to and convey to the function, however then additionally, what’s a brand new layer that you simply had been particularly excited to add within the feature-length model?

SEBBENS: I feel for me, it was Sarah’s deep maternal love, unconditional, deep, protecting and fierce love for her youngsters and her household, and at what lengths she’ll go to guard that. That is what I wished to carry on to. What was new to me was truly Jon [Bell] type of flipping that on its head in a approach, and possibly on the floor she would not appear to be essentially the most maternal particular person. So it grew to become a bit extra difficult in that sense. A mom that wasn’t overly coddling to her youngsters or something like that.

I’ve an inconceivable query to ask you about that. I’ll let Meyne reply first after which we’ll circle again.

WYATT: I feel within the brief I actually wished to carry on to the fact and the stakes, understanding that we’re going right into a style movie. We have a malevolent spirit within the movie, however it’s additionally ensuring it is preserving it grounded, I suppose, as a result of that’s your gateway into the style. Then I feel when it got here to the function, what I favored with the character and the exploration that I may go additional with was that he turned out to be a little bit of a gaslighting bastard, and that was enjoyable to play with. I relished in that chance.

Time for 2 inconceivable questions. First one’s for you, Bella, as a result of there are not any small roles in a film, and it blows my thoughts when somebody’s in a position to take restricted display time to assist the principle character’s narrative, but in addition be sure that their character looks like they’re entire and have historical past. What is the secret sauce? How do you pull that off?

HEATHCOTE: An amazing director and an performing coach. That is my secret sauce. I simply must do all of the work beforehand, I feel. The factor that I discover essentially the most terrifying about that, is you are additionally coming onto the movie, sometimes, as soon as it is already began. I really feel like the brand new child at college, and also you’re there for possibly per week or two. It is a transient interval and you might want to match into the world. For some purpose, I do not know, possibly it is weird and backwards, I really feel far more accountability when I’ve a small function in a movie. Like, “Oh god, these guys are nice and I don’t wanna be the dud that stands out.” I’m gonna cease speaking about my insecurities. [Laughs]

WYATT: We’ve all obtained ‘em, don’t we?

SEBBENS: We’re all like, “Yep. Yep. Similar.”

To observe up, as a result of I really feel like we do not speak about performing coaches almost sufficient, are you able to inform me one thing about your performing coach that you simply actually respect and fits the way you prefer to obtain and apply notes?

HEATHCOTE: Her title’s Warner Loughlin, and I had labored with many different folks beforehand, and the factor that I like about her, sometimes I’ll simply use substitution. Like, my mum died once I was younger and I’d simply flog that lifeless horse on each movie that I may. I had a half-brother who died, and anyway, I’d simply use that time and again, and it is traumatizing and never good in your psyche. And likewise, there’s some days if you get on set and your mind’s similar to, “No, I am not going there. I am not going into that.” And the factor about Warner is that she has this manner of making an entire life and historical past for that character, and type of like reminiscences, there’s completely different lingo that she makes use of, that I can then placed on like a coat and take off, and it feels simply as genuine however on the finish of the day I am not shattered.

Such an essential factor to have the ability to do.

Shari Sebbens smiling in an interview for The Moogai at Sundance 2024

Picture through Photagonist on the Collider Media Studio


I will finish with my different inconceivable query for you, Shari. What’s the key to enjoying your character with authority, however whereas understanding that ultimately product, she must spark doubt in viewers? Which you do fairly nicely!

SEBBENS: Oh, nice! We’ve not seen it. [Laughs] I feel it was continuously checking in with Jon that the place we had been pitching her — as persons are conscious, filming is all out of sequence and also you attempt to keep as near scene order as you possibly can — however checking with Jon daily and simply truly having conversations on a regular basis about her inside life, and what shedding management feels prefer to her as a result of she’s by no means skilled it earlier than. I feel for lots of girls it is form of a scary factor as a result of we have now such little of it to start with in society. So if you struggle so laborious for it after which it is being dragged away from you, it’s fairly scary. That is a terrific query. Thanks.

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